tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17644478.post114431894628120213..comments2024-01-19T18:40:32.771+08:00Comments on Robots - Because humans deserve better.: RoboCup Humanoid League – what is it all about?Vadakkepathttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11146644521791041552noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17644478.post-1144637621915004052006-04-10T10:53:00.000+08:002006-04-10T10:53:00.000+08:00u0204635 Tan Pei-EnWow... Seems like humanoid socc...u0204635 Tan Pei-En<BR/><BR/>Wow... Seems like humanoid soccer provokes a lot of interest..<BR/><BR/>I think the questions of individuality and creativity bely a much deeper philosophical question - what does it mean to be human?<BR/><BR/>Functionally, I think it is only a matter of time before an effective team of humanoids is assembled and designed to play soccer effectively. It could be 50 years, 100 years, or more, but conceptually there is no difficulty with the notion (although technically there are lots and lots of challenges). <BR/><BR/>But no matter how complex the robots get, all their behavior is just a causal result from initial states and the pre-programmed algorithm. Sure, the algorithm can be programmed to learn and become more adapted to the environment, but the point is that given a certain environment, there exists only one way which the robot will learn, and that is the direct result of the way it has been programmed. <BR/><BR/>To the untrained eye, the complex algorithms may allow the humanoid robot to exhibit behavior analogous to individuals. But insofar as we mean abstract things like free choice when we talk about individuality, it is just an illusion. Machines, no matter how complex, are still deterministic. <BR/><BR/>Think about it this way. Given the initial positions of the robot, the environment, and the way they have been programmed, the outcome of the game is COMPLETELY DETERMINED from the start. We just dont know it because it is too difficult to compute in practical. But conceptually, we know that everything is, so-called, predestined in a robot soccer game.<BR/><BR/>Thus, while it may be interesting to watch and scientifically beneficial to the world, give me the Rooneys, the Ronaldos and the Ruuds any day. <BR/><BR/>Could you feel exhilaration for a robot when it scores? Even if you do, it doesn't feel a thing. Can you empathize with the agony of the player whose attempted equalizer comes of the post at the 91st minute of the game, condemning his team to defeat, if it is just a robot? What about the sheer weight of responsibility that falls on the shoulders of each player when the game goes to penalties? Would you feel it, if underneath those shoulders were mere chips and circuitry?<BR/><BR/>So, by all means, experiment on humanoid soccer, try it out with humans for all you want, but don't touch the World Cup. <BR/><BR/>Leave the beautiful game alone. :)Securityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16693455710733429565noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17644478.post-1144605385810669492006-04-10T01:56:00.000+08:002006-04-10T01:56:00.000+08:00U0303893 Aung Myo Lwin, well robot soccer, that is...U0303893 Aung Myo Lwin, well robot soccer, that is one of the growing research area in robotics. I don't want to say that it is impossible to have a humanoid soccer team at year 2050. However, it will be a very challenging task for world robotics society. There are some considerations that I want to post here. First one is, will the robot be able to tackle? will human dare to tackle robots? How robot will dispocesses the ball from the human? How about ball control? How about heading? Will robot do body push? Hianz...I can still come out a lot more questions, that is along way for humanoid advancements to reach such stage. I feel that not only in robotics technology advancements, other technology advancments such as communications, material science, embedded systems and so on. Anyway, I hope to watch a soccer game between human and humanoid.Homehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04887832757562395900noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17644478.post-1144581019664703292006-04-09T19:10:00.000+08:002006-04-09T19:10:00.000+08:00u0204593 Chiam Lee ChuanI would agreed with Lipien...u0204593 Chiam Lee Chuan<BR/>I would agreed with Lipien. While the idea of robots is exciting, but i stongly doubt that robots would be ever produce that level of creativity and originality that a human is only capable of. Soccer robots are only programmed to score goal in a most efficient way, thus they will alway be lacking in the unpredictable style of play exhibit by human and that's the thing we enjoyed about soccer.Explorationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09257682612464068294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17644478.post-1144521421857041732006-04-09T02:37:00.000+08:002006-04-09T02:37:00.000+08:00u0204734Woo Handa, RaymondWow, the match between h...u0204734<BR/>Woo Handa, Raymond<BR/><BR/>Wow, the match between human and robots should be very interesting!!! It is quite interesting to find out whether the robots have the capability and technique to win the human counterpart.<BR/><BR/>However, I still very convinced that the human soccer game is still a beautiful game to watch. The reasons are that there are many controversial referee decisions, controversial goals are being allowed and the diving of players who attemp to cheat under the eye of referee. This make the game more interesting to watch and<BR/>world cup 2006 germany is approaching. I think it is a much anticipated event for the soccer fans out there.Medicalhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05113871826661688545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17644478.post-1144424334726283572006-04-07T23:38:00.000+08:002006-04-07T23:38:00.000+08:00u0205352 Lim LipienBasically, I also feel that wit...u0205352 Lim Lipien<BR/><BR/>Basically, I also feel that with the advancement of technology, the game between human and robot will become a reality in the future. The question of speculating which side will be the winner will be a much debatable issue now till 2050.<BR/><BR/>However, I believe very strongly that the talent,looks, charisma and attributes of famous human soccer players such as Wayne Rooney,Ronaldinho can never be found in robot soccer players.The reason is simply because the talent of these individuals is simply irreplacable and unique. This is one of the important reasons which make the human football game so attractive nowadays to watch. Thus, I feel that the clash between two human opposition sides will be still be a much nicer game. Do anyone agree with my view?Explorationhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09257682612464068294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-17644478.post-1144323814348731682006-04-06T19:43:00.000+08:002006-04-06T19:43:00.000+08:00FIRA(Federation of international robot association...FIRA(Federation of international robot association) also has Hurosot Competition.www.fira.net.<BR/><BR/>Also, can you in detail illustrate <BR/>what those humanoid robots need to achieve or perform during the Robocup comepetition?<BR/>Also thousands of dollars spent on those robots, is there any reserach value? can you state some to clear some of the doubtsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com